After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that theyre consistent from one club to the next. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM We've chosen this model as it is a popular iron that suits a wide range of players from low handicappers to game improvers. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. 4-iron - 20.5 degrees. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. bigo2398, August 31, 2015 in WRX Club Techs. I'm curious about this as well. I agree with these two reasons here. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Mizuno used to manufacture their iron sets with flatter lies than most OEM's partly because the average Japanese male was shorter than the average N. American male. Can you bend a metal wood? Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. [/quote] I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Terms & Conditions See What Members Are Saying! Pw 45 131, Hickory Bag: Brassie, Mid Iron, Mashie, Mashie Niblick, Niblick, Putter, Driver: PXG 12*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 63 6.0, Long Game: PXG 13*, PXG 16*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 83 6.5 (flip between the two), Driving Iron: PXG 0311 4 iron bent 17.5*; ProForce VTS 100HX (finally found a driving that works), Irons: NIKE VR Pro CBs Raw 4 - PW: Aldila RIP Tour 115 s,these are similar length irons (4 iron 37.75, PW 36.25)7, Wedges: Titleist Vokey 50F, 54D, 58S: DG S300 (will sometimes add in the 58* on shorter courses), Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Design #5 35 inches: Super Stroke GP Tour. Callaway Rogue Max LS 9* Tensei AV Blue 6, Titleist TSi3 strong 3w 13.5* PX HSRDUS black 70, Titleist TS3 19* hybrid Tensei Blue/Titleist TS3 23* TenseiBlue, Vokey SM8 50*F & 56*M Callaway Jaws MD5 60*. [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? 5 iron 26 198 It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. ENTER NOW! So, for the sake of your irons, take your clubs to a custom fitter if you plan on bending them. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. '19 Apex Pro 5-A w/PX Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Maybe a little further, maybe a little lower, maybe to change bounce, maybe just looks/feels better. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] was good. 6-iron launch: 17* It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. I tried to do a search for this topic, so if it has been disscussed I apologize. I would tweak loft to adjust my distance gaps. If you want to add more loft to hit it a bit higher you can do so, but you will sacrifice some distance. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. My 5 irons lie is 59 deg whereas the usual 5 iron lie from most manufacturers is more like 61 deg. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='144131685' post='12246270'] 7-Iron Comparison by Loft. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. He's on fire now, but I can't remember him playing well in windy conditions. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. The spin makes the ball "balloon" and land too steep which actually makes it harder to stick greens so while the spin may not be the actual problem, it's the reason that I would like to flatten my ball flight out. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. Upload or insert images from URL. Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? Then, if you decide to carry out the work, its best to take the clubs to a fitter to do it on your behalf. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. Every 1* is about 3 yards each way To avoid this, make sure to take your irons to a golf pro at least once a year. You probably have hair as well. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. You cannot paste images directly. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x 3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? no i've struggled with a fade all season. So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. ENTER NOW! When you get your set of irons, make sure that both thew lofts AND the lies are checked for consistency. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! If youre struggling with the current loft degrees of the irons in your bag, then changing the angle of your clubs by bending them could help you improve your ball striking. It is all about fitting. 7-iron - 30 degrees. thanks[/quote] 10.5 set at small - Odyssey Pro #1 black Not sure about the AP2s. United States. Pros and cons? I'm concerned, however, that if I purchase a set of Scratch irons with what I think is the right grind for me (S/S) and bend the lofts a couple of degrees strong (ie. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? ), Are Cobra Golf Clubs Good? I think its mostly because I have better spin rate with the mid-long irons now, although I never got any numbers. Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. [/quote] You absolutely can buy a golf bending machine to use at home, but you will find that theyre super expensive, typically costing several hundred if not thousands of dollars. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph X Hot Pro 16 w/Rogue Black The most popular brand is Golfsmith which manufactures high-quality loft/lie bending machines. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Clear editor. Your previous content has been restored. By [/b][/size] Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. The credit goes to this website for explaining the entire process. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] Pw 47 125 MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! If they can market a club that will cut down on that slice they are going to sell more clubs. Just be mindful that high-quality cast irons will be a little more difficult to bend and require a specialist bending machine. TXG Custom King Cobra Nova, 25 gram weights, Garsen Ultimate grip. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Fitting.. gives you a choice. (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . Vice versa if the club is upright. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. One of the least common reasons is distance- usually, they're trying to get the ballflight into a "window" that they're comfortable with- if a 7 iron goes to high, bend it stronger. Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! and for the mechanics I would recommend working on ball position. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Best of luck.Chuck. Another reason why stronger lofts don't always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. The irons Well the mid-irons are the perfect place to start. Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. [/quote]Not gushing about that but I will gush over a 63-62 weekend. 9% choose stiff+ iron shafts, a flex in-between stiff and extra stiff, but over 70% use either extra stiff or tour extra stiff iron shafts. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. Anyone know if most pros have this done? I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? 7 iron 34 165 (I think) I know this isn't real complexI guess what I'm asking is, I'm not sure what he testedI'm guessing lie since I hit on a board. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. The majority of handicap golfers fight a slice. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] My personal clubs are 2 up because that's what my fitting said I should be when hitting on a lie board. I bent my MP-32 2 degree strong, my natural ball flight is high along with the low COG on the irons. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. Should You Bend Your Irons? If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. The flex will be X-stiff or XX-stiff for the strong pros who hit the ball a mile. Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x [/quote] Therefore, if youre planning to bend your high-quality cast clubs, our advice remains the same check in with a local club fitter in your area and ask them to complete the work on your behalf. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32.
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