This page was generated at 03:03. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westernes_Flight_2605, http://aviation-safety.net/database/?id=19791031-0, http://books.google.com/books?id=8BVpage&q&f=false, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fod.main/130485/, http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/program.pl?ID=57025, http://web.archive.org/web/200910220/blackbox.html, http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/-tapes-cd.html, http://www.taxiways.de/DC-10/accident/N903WA.html, If this is your first visit, be sure to board. I can't guess why it would be hard to obtain. 68 people died in that crash. The scenario adds up to a sequence of events that is just after initial touch down, when all engines were increased to a little over 100 Its pilots loved the plane. In that accident investigators warned of the danger of trusting ILS signals without checking raw height/distance data. RE: Western 2605 In MEX - New Pics #8819177 BY thegoldenargosy - Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:22 am One of the flight attendants survived and is still flying for DL in SLC. Wow!! general avtation will probably have to wait a long time. Western Airlines 2605 is a crash that sticks out in my mind as one of the most mysterious accidents of all time, as comparatively little about the accident itself has been released to the public. He expressed serious concern about the approach to the air Gilbert had limited or no control over the plane after the collision with the dump truck. We'll just consider it a "personal best" for the airport. The May 25, 1979 American Airlines DC-10 crash involved the separation of the left engine from the left wing and the shredding of hydraulic lines with it. This video also went out to my Patrons on Patreon 48 hours before going out publicly. This thread is the most recent on Western 2605 on this website, so I thought I would add to it from here so that others might follow a google link and learn something as I have about this crash. According to the research done by Dr. Zeller and McNorton, at the In addition to airline bankruptcies, and industry consolidation, the Airline Deregulation Act meant open war on airline labor including pilots although it is rarely described this way. The system was apparently adjusted soon after with help from US authorities, this around the same time the US assisted with producing explicit instructions on the "side step" manouver for Mexico presumably so pilot error won't cause another accident but also (less cynically stated) to make airtravel safer - will need to find sources for this. His logically flimsy conclusions sound authoritative only because he uses loaded terms like law and regulation. (Ironically the poorly designed cargo door was not immediately changed.). Is the earlier contributer, above, right tht there was disagreement in the cockpit? - paragraph amended at 20:36, 1 January 2020 (unsigned contribution) by 73.61.9.109. This is not a touchdown this is the aircraft being destroyed. To be continued.. - paragraph added at 01:17, 1 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41, - section created by 173.120.214.74 at 20:21, 19 December 2019 (+ heading amended by 173.120.246.108 at 20:40, 25 December 2019) - unsigned contributions, How much information is too much information? Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries, Airport Overviews . [3] We know that runway 23L was closed to traffic that day, as the runway was being resurfaced. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. He has suggested an international cover up. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Aircraft type McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10Operator Western AirlinesRegistration N903WAFlight origin Los Angeles Int'l AirportLos Angeles, California, United St. on this tragedy: I think there's a CVR on Airdisaster.com. Whether or not this reputation was warranted is up for debate. As a lay person with a recent fascination with this crash, I'm assuming this was the truck collision by the noises on the CVR. Reichel probably didn't call out altitude, but we do not know this for sure. with his crew that he had requested several times to have Presumably the "Flying Magazine" article abridged content from 'official' reports and other sources. My dad has mentioned to me several times this accident. Western Airlines Flight 2605 19 Reply kapotchaboii 1 yr. ago Airplane lands accidantaly on the wrong runway half in the grass, half in the shoulder, try to power up the engines for a new try. (That is, do the sidestep "in advance", out by "Metro Eco".) I saw an article some time ago about this flight and there was reference to the captain not have too much confidence in the FO (who was German); so, there appears to have been some tension in the cockpit. Western Airlines 2605 is a crash that sticks out in my mind as one of the most mysterious accidents of all time, as comparatively little about the accident itself has been released to the public. Ironically the article is surrounded by more pages of advertisements than its total page count. The entire CVR is not easily accessable. - paragraph amended at 23:09, 25 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.246.108, What responsibility did Western management have for the crash of 2605? On top of all this, the ", "The first officer didn't do his job and the Captain didn't make him", "ALPA's reasoning seems to be that a certain sloppiness is inevitable in airline crews flying late-night flights. then realised rather late tht they were now on the ILS path so this must be 23L - wrong runway - and they better go around. The aircraft continued flying just clear of the ground near taxiway Alpha.". I have cleaned up the background. All times are GMT. Aircraft flying government officials, Helicopters AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. so they thought they were flying their cleared approach? port and the hassle he usually received from the air traffic Western Airlines Flight 2605 received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which is now archived. With the U.S. Air Force and Cause: Crashed into construction equipment during landing on a closed runway or pilot errorAircraft: McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10Operator: Western AirlinesPass. Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR. Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.120.246.108 (talk) 22:08, 25 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], - section created at 22:37, 29 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.184.130. Cookie Notice When I first started reading the links, I thought they were just to the left of 23R. Aircraft flying government officials, Helicopters 1 mois de voyages illimits. A few years later the public would be told an Air Florida 737 that crashed into a DC bridge was mostly because the pilots weren't from "the North". Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Both military and civil versions, Blimps / Airships As an example, there is an immediate inconsistencies about what the tower is told the crew about approach lights and the ICAO report on the condition of those lights.[/quote]. accident had to be one of human factors. Cookie Notice On the other. Flight 2605 remains the deadliest air accident to have occurred in Mexico City. that would have shown the ILS inaccuracy. give him a different crew if he would fly this one last flight I ask this because there are more details that could be added to the article to give readers an even better understanding of this horrific accident. The ICAO report does not mention the ILS as any possible contributor. CVR of Western Airlines 2605, terrifying. All Rights Reserved. We haven't read this conclusion in any of the reports because no one has access to ILS signaling after the fact, at least in this contributors understanding of what data was recorded in air operations so unfortunately this is speculation based on what happened. Posts: 6938 . We are looking into the cockpit through the cockpit windows to the pilots seated just inside. Cockpit crew coordina Another piece of frustration. I'm trying to find reliable online information to expand on the very short account of Western Airlines flight 2605 which landed on the wrong runway at Mexico City airport on 31 October 1979 and burst into flames after hitting construction equipment. TNVC/NGI Giveaway: 15 winners with over $7000 worth of prizes!! Ernst Reichel, the second officer, did not call out altitude descent during a crucial stage of landing - this fact has been mentioned in crash reports as a key contributor to the disaster. However it is the content of the article that readers should focus on. Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries, Airport Overviews The plane is surrounded by heavy, dense fog and other than this view into the cockpit there is no visibility. Walsh (?) The challenge is being able to discriminate and select what else could be added. Accident, incident and crash related photos, Air to Air His flight manager had promised to This penetration came in contact with the erasure circuit sending a momentary electrical impulse to the bulk eraser, causing a wedge- shaped segment of the tape to be erased.". (?) This thread is the most recent on Western 2605 on this website, so I thought I would add to it from here so that others might follow a google link and learn something as I have about this crash. ", - section created at 20:44, 30 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.131.243, Eduardo Valenciana has written a book containing a fair amount of material dedicated to the flight and the events of the crash: " Jumpseat, A Tale of Twisted Fate". Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos. Our large helicopter section. USER_MINI_PROFILE. have to deal with: a fog bound low Visibility approach, an Is the ALPA report secret or proprietary? In less than 10 years Western Airlines would no longer exist. It is like this crash never happened. France (Isre, Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes): Current local time in & Next time change in Saint-Ismier, Time Zone Europe/Paris (UTC+1). McDonnell Douglas made three more hydraulic system design changes following this accident. The DC-10 included no cable backup for the hydraulic-powered flight controls because it was considered nearly impossible for three hydraulic systems to fail during one flight. Things moved very quickly. Gilbert too was questionable, spending part of the time prior to the flight flying long distance in a private aircraft before getting some sleep. The most common CVR excerpt begins at landing on 23L where Gilbert is asking if "we're clear on the right?". The plane then quickly hit the truck, the electric pole, the excavator cab and finally the building. Most reports I've read seem to state that Pilot Gilbert saw the truck. [9] . Stay at this 4-star business-friendly hotel in Meylan. He Walsh's preparedness was unknown. This explanation is not addressed by our article as it stands. I replied to one post below that had the time of day wrong concerning the accident. The right wing obviously was damaged. Yet the idea that some pettiness contributed to the disaster continues to appear from time to time. Key details are the same: 23L was closed, 23R was the open runway with a NOTAM many days before. The article doesn't mention how many of the fatalities were crew; I presume from the description that all three pilots perished. as the cause of each accident. $73. - paragraph added at 20:21 + amended at 20:23, 19 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.214.74, - section created at 15:12, 22 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.124. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Views from inside the cockpit, Aircraft Cabins Its a red herring to say they landed on the wrong runway. Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR, Military Aircraft Views from inside the cockpit, Aircraft Cabins All of them involved pilot fatigue, either from This behaviour was a contributing cause of the accident, but is completely ignored in the article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpQWYdByNSg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1DlBRS0PiE. Mark Lincoln (talk) 00:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Spanish language page of Wikipedia cites the other runway, not 23L. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests, RE: Western Airlines Flight 2605 LAX-MEX '79. ", This page was last edited on 3 May 2022, at 01:09. A friend of the Western Airlines DC-I0 captain had Pilot fatigue has also been mentioned. will not be used to prevent other accidents. - para break moved, + para amended, by 173.120.246.108 (unsigned contribution), at 20:30, 25 December 2019, - section created at 22:08, 25 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.246.108.
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